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Post by Azza ( AB ) on Apr 15, 2013 21:18:05 GMT 10
Hi Guys and Gals, now I have only been on my shadow or any road bike for that matter for just over 1600ks and have been scraping my pegs a bit of late ;D Now this scared the crap out of me the first time it happened but have quickly learnt that the sound of metal scraping is not announcing my early demise. Today when coming off the hi way at the Bribie exit I was going a bit quicker in the right hand lane to make the green light and once committed had the peg dragging early in the corner, I didn't panic and stayed on my line with my peg rubbing all the way . My experience with dirt bikes is that if the peg is touching the ground you most likely are as well the rear tyre still has about 20 mm of rubber that has not contacted the road and so far the only damage to the pegs is I have ground the bolts on the underside of the peg down a bit. Now enough rambling and on to the question, how far past the peg touching can you go before you end up in a world of hurt because something has touched down and levered the rear tyre off the road and can you get after market pegs that don't contact so easily.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 22:18:24 GMT 10
It's a cruiser not a sports bike but if you do find out how far you can go let me know
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Post by 56george on Apr 16, 2013 0:16:33 GMT 10
I'm with Shane on this one. Tyre quality and condition, road surface conditions, weather conditions and so on can drop you on your butt if you lean a cruiser too far, and if you can't safely negotiate the turn and stay on your side of the road then hope there's nothing coming the other way. Sparks coming out from the footpegs looks cool at night though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 3:16:09 GMT 10
I've got Kiri-akin aftermarket pegs and grips on my bike, and I must say they scrape real good ;D they now have a 45* chamfer the size of my thumb ( about 10 - 15 mm ). My only complaint is it is getting really hard to scrape the pegs now, but I did pay for that bit of rubber on the chicken strip of my tyres as well. So I guess I just have to try that bit harder ;D .... love the SHADOW ;D
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Post by Azza ( AB ) on Apr 16, 2013 19:54:34 GMT 10
Sure, these are not sportbikes, but they still should be able to go around corners, shouldn’t they? I consider this part of the enjoyment of riding, even on cruisers, and wish to be able to go faster on twisty roads without worrying. All the above conditions (tyres, weather, surface) also apply to sports bikes if you lean it to far in the wrong conditions you will lay it down. If I over-cook a corner, I don't want to be concerned if i am going to make it through a tighter than anticipated corner if needed with out under steering on to the wrong side of the road or levering the rear tyre of the ground. Judging by Louie's post you can keep them leant over a bit
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 20:34:11 GMT 10
Usually if i touch down mate that will do me . Are you leaning in the corners or countersteering. It doesn,t seem so bad with the later . Just remember while they are scraping ,fine but if they dig in then yes you will find that world of pain. Cruiser just aren,t made to lean in as mush as a sporty i reckon . Otherwise the pegs would be higher . But have fun mate ,i like some cornering as well as the next bloke but there is a limit i think. Horses for courses AB. . Have some for you on saturday if the weather is good. Cheers Ray
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Post by Azza ( AB ) on Apr 16, 2013 21:20:05 GMT 10
That's what I am trying to work out what is the limit so I don't cross it I use counter steering and i am really looking forward to Sat now I have the right day, would have looked a right goose standing around the BP by myself on Sunday lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 21:33:51 GMT 10
slow into the corner and power out, works for me. when I had my 750 my foot always hit the road way before the peg did. The new bike has a lot better ground clearance and I'm not that brave to lean it to far ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mrc on Apr 17, 2013 7:24:15 GMT 10
I scraped the first few rides on my bike until I mastered counter steering (or sought of lol) I find I don't lean my body into the corners anymore and haven't scraped again...
As for standing at a BP waiting for a ride that happened the day before!! You wouldn't be the first lol...
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Post by blackadler on Apr 17, 2013 22:09:49 GMT 10
I have raised and moved forward my pegs by 50mm by using a fabricated bracket. Also fitted progressive shocks 1 inch longer. Now I can use the chicken strip and rarely scrape the pegs.
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Post by scrap on Apr 19, 2013 14:06:07 GMT 10
.... awww - common people, pegs and floor boards are sacrificial - just keep scraping them and replace when worn out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 20:19:51 GMT 10
.... awww - common people, pegs and floor boards are sacrificial - just keep scraping them and replace when worn out. Nearly worn out ,time to order more ;D
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Post by intherough on Jun 7, 2013 9:00:52 GMT 10
So this thread's getting a bit old but here's my 2 cents worth anyway.
I ride my cruiser like its a sports bike and love to go fairly hot into corners - just ask some of the guys here in WA.
Anyway, contrary to what others have written about leaning or counter steering, the more you counter steer the more your bike will lean over onto its side and the more likely it will be for the pegs to scrape. You have to both lean and counter steer to take a corner at speed. The exception is slow speed maneouvers where you will positive steer but counter balance.
Now the way I take a fast corner is to make sure that I'm set up for it. This includes deciding early on what's my entry line into the corner, what speed to take it at and set the bike up. Next is to get my body into position. This means moving my weight over to side of the bike towards the inside of the corner. I lean my body into the corner as I counter steer the bike.
At this point I'm committed to my line and I'm using my body weight to counter balance how much leaning input I'm giving the bike with counter steering. This keeps the bike relatively more upright into a corner. When I'm going hard at it my head and body is leaning past the ends of my handlebars. I'm leaning my body into the corner more than my bike. With this style I can go hot into a corner and I've had my rear tyres "howling" before the pegs get a chance to scrape. What I generally see from other riders is the opposite, they will lean the bike into the corner more than their body is leaning and hence the scraping of pegs.
Sometimes the pegs will scrape and that's because I haven't put enough of my body weight into the corner and/or I've gone in too hard and have to lean the bike in further with counter steering. I find that I scrape the pegs more when I keep my body in a relatively more upright position and use only counter steering into a corner, but that's only on slower corners or small roundabouts - good fun though. And sometime they scrape because I want them to - scares the crap out of pillion passengers but they ask for more! Only do it at slower speeds though as again the bodies are more upright but the bike is leaning way down.
Anyway that's my 2cents worth. Next time the Moto GP is on watch how they take bends and corners.
Have fun and be safe boys and girls.
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Post by Steve on Jun 27, 2013 16:29:52 GMT 10
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Post by intherough on Jun 28, 2013 17:21:06 GMT 10
Steve, believe it or not we all used to counter steer when we were riding around on pushbikes. We did it without even realising we were doing it! On motorbikes we need to become more conscious of it to control the amount of lean.
Here's a little exercise I like to do now and then. Try and find an empty carpark or a quiet piece of straight road. Set up some witches hats (or in my case some tennis balls cut in half) and space these out about 2 1/2 bike lengths apart. Go and weave through them at around 25-35 kph and be conscious of how you can easily throw the bike from side to the other using counter steering.
Have fun!!!
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