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Post by kuri77 on Feb 25, 2015 5:58:53 GMT 10
My friend wants to wear this if and when it's hot, is this kind of helmet allowed?
We'd both like not to be defenseless, is this kind of knife with a 5 1/2 inch blade allowed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 8:09:28 GMT 10
Hi Kuri, the helmet shape itself is ok, I've seen guys wearing that kind of thing but, helmets here must have the standard sticker on them. For more info and some pics of what the stickers look like check this out roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/motorcyclists/motorcyclehelmets.htmlBasically if you aren't wearing a helmet with the right sticker on it when the plod picks you up, they will fine you. Most shops here obviously will sell helmets that have the correct standard sticker on them (ie: they have passed Aus standards tests) but then I just read an article that really confused me about our laws, thing is the plod dont understand what the article was saying either so best just to go with a sticker that is on the website that I linked. As for the knife, sorry I have no idea about the laws regarding knives .. I'm sure one of the guys will be able to answer that one
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Post by george on Feb 25, 2015 10:18:01 GMT 10
Hi Kuri. Unfortunately we do not have uniform laws throughout Australia, with each State having their own laws which are passed by their own State Governments. There are Federal laws for offences against the Commonwealth and if you tried to take a knife through an airport, you could breach Commonwealth Laws. In Victoria ( and I would guess most states would have similar laws) the knife you show could be classed a controlled weapon. It would be illegal to carry that knife for defensive purposes. You must have a legitimate reason for carrying such a knife, ie hunting, fishing or you are chef on route to work etc. In Victoria police have powers to search people for knives etc in certain situations like on our transport system, community events and the like, and also random body searches. If you were found to be in possession of such knife, at the very least it would be confiscated and at the very most you could be charged with criminal offences. As an international tourist you could plead ignorance and you may avoid being charged, but it could most certainly be confiscated. Your best option for carrying a knife would be to get a Swiss Army or Leatherman tool knife set or similar type knife.
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Post by Wendy Witch on Feb 25, 2015 19:05:32 GMT 10
My friend wants to wear this if and when it's hot, is this kind of helmet allowed?
We'd both like not to be defenseless, is this kind of knife with a 5 1/2 inch blade allowed? Hi Kuri helmet will need to comply with Australian Standards And I'm not sure you will even get the knife through customs let alone carry it on you. Australia is a tad regulated and nanny rules apply. Sent from my SM-N9007 using proboards
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Post by Frank on Feb 25, 2015 20:06:17 GMT 10
I carry both a Gerber multy tool and a swiss army knife, I've never been questioned about them, I'm 100% positive that if I carried a knife such as you show, I wouldn't get from here to town before being pulled over and fined
Not many people carry knives here (except maybe the 1%ers)
You'll find that you won't need 'em
If you are worried just carry a good sized cook's knife with your "cooking utensils"
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Post by placid on Feb 25, 2015 22:09:20 GMT 10
I can't understand why anyone would want to wear a helmet like that. This picture is of my friend's $900 helmet after he had an "off" on a recent ride. Had he been wearing the open face helmet that your friend is considering, he would have no face left. We all think we won't come off, but the reality is, some do.
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Post by kuri77 on Feb 26, 2015 2:22:08 GMT 10
Anastasia thanks, will tell him if he wants to wear that kind he better just buy one when we get there George thanks, looks like I won't be bringing that knife along, didn't realize state laws were so strong there compared to federal ones Frank thanks, the big cooking knife and Swiss sounds like the way to go, glad you guys think it's safer there, I wouldn't want to be stranded out in the boondocks here without some sort of defense Wendy Witch thanks for reiterating good advice and finally Placid, really? I didn't ask for helmet advice even if offered helpfully. If that's what you're offering then why not ask me why i would risk my life riding a motorcycle when I could be much better protected driving a car? If you go down that slippery slope argument might as well stay in bed, it's much safer. We all make our choices. Until the helmet law went into effect 20 yrs ago here in California I went helmet-less for 30 yrs. Yes It's more dangerous but everyone here makes the risk/reward judgement for their own situation. As for why anyone would WANT to wear that kind, well it's way cooler when it's 100 degrees out, better hearing, less claustrophobic and "cooler looking" in the minds of some. When I went to India last year I went with a ski helmet because of the heat issue and lightness because I was going to be lugging all my stuff along into temples rather than risk leaving it on the bike. Oh yeh I always wear an open-face helmet but an approved one because I at least want it to work if I do go down.
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Post by Wendy Witch on Feb 26, 2015 6:24:49 GMT 10
Kuri
Most of us here will voice our own opinion on safety gear, purely out of concern for other riders safety and we know the truth about the state of our roads and the risks involved. It is a plus that members here speak up. This demonstrates their genuine caring nature.
Sent from my SM-N9007 using proboards
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Post by spider68 on Feb 26, 2015 18:40:11 GMT 10
Pretty sure you're not allowed to carry a knife of any type, not even a pen knife unless you are using it for work.
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Post by Frank on Feb 26, 2015 20:54:39 GMT 10
Kuri77 Brenda and I in our other life are caravanners, we've done 4 big trips the shortest 9 weeks the longest 19 weeks covering some 18.500km in 19 weeks, WA, NT and back down through the centre, we freecamp a lot and sometimes are on our own, we have never had a problem out there, yes there is always the chance there will be some whacko out there, but don't we all take a risk when we go out on our bikes? This is a link to our first big trip www.adelaidetoperthviadarwin.blogspot.com.au/the first few weeks cover the trip up the centre that you are planning if you want a bit of homewrok We have since up dated the car (to a 1999 4WD) and the caravan (t0 a 1996 18ft poptop) If all goes well we'll be travelling to Lake Eyre in May-June (it's flooding at the moment and doesn't do that often) it may be our last chance to see it in flood
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Post by kuri77 on Feb 27, 2015 8:24:45 GMT 10
Spider68 thanks Frank thanks for the reply. Yes we all take a risk and as I said to Placid the amount of risk we take is up to the individual. Coming from a land of much more violent crime and a plethora of weapons available I feel safer with a weapon when I'm out in the middle of nowhere especially in unknown areas. When camping in the US I also take along my .38 pistol, never had to use it but nice to know it is available even if only for wild animals. Offering advice on our own safety decisions from equipment to clothing to roads to bike to whatever should only be at the request of the receiver otherwise we're in a nanny state where everyone tells you what to do because they think their way is safer/better etc. I've always thought of Oz as a place much like the US where independence and freedom to make your own decisions are paramount and unsolicited advice is just that, however well-intentioned. But thanks for trying to make me feel more comfortable in your wilderness. The link is great. Loved the pic of Stanley chasm in all orange. Make a great poster for the wall. Will read the narrative tonight for bedtime reading, thanks. Wendy Witch I know what you said is with the best of intentions but I would never think to question someone's choice of equipment, gear etc unless they asked me. For example I always wear armor under my jeans when I ride but would never think to tell Placid, in his own words but substitute "ride a bike without safety armor" for the words "wear a helmet" in his quote, "I can't understand why anyone would want to wear a helmet like that." And you could carry this line of thought on ad infinitum. Hopefully my written words are conveying my opinion without hurting anyone in the process but I am a firm believer in defending an individual's choices however poor I or you may think them to be. That's one of the reasons I was in Vietnam along with a lot of your compatriots. Of course I was a "know-it-all" 19 year old then and would rethink that choice if I had to do it over again knowing what I know now. But that's a topic for another day and another forum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 9:36:10 GMT 10
Hey Kuri,
Just a thought too .. hope your friend is willing to compromise in his choice of helmet as I dont think that specific type will be readily available in most shops. He will get an open face no probs, but he may not get that particular style unless you go for a large bike/gear shop.
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Post by placid on Feb 27, 2015 11:48:39 GMT 10
Well, I’ve read and re-read my earlier post and can’t for the life of me see where I offered helmet advice to kuri77 or anyone else. I merely expressed my thought on open faced helmets. I would never deign to tell anyone what to wear. In fact, I have enough trouble minding my own business. But now that kuri77 has decided to make it personal, let me just say “thank you” to him and similarly minded people. Your practices will certainly assist the gene pool in the long run. Bugger… now it looks as if I have given advice.
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Post by george on Feb 27, 2015 14:36:18 GMT 10
I think enough has been said about the helmet and personal safety issue and I would be grateful if it was now left alone. Lets get to the more important things like helping each other out. Kuri that style helmet can be found throughout Australia and are legal. But as Annastasia mentioned the problem is if they don't have an Australian compliance sticker they are deemed illegal. It is also an offence to remove a compliance sticker from a Helmet. Most reputable motor bike shops would sell legal ones. Illegal (and cheap) ones can be found at markets and events stalls and often have a sign advising they are nor recommended for riding and do not comply with Australian Standards. So you can rest assured you can find similar and legal ones in Australia. Just check they have a sticker. If not don't buy it.
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Post by Frank on Feb 27, 2015 19:12:10 GMT 10
A quikie from me,
I have seen very similar helmets for sale WITH compliance stickers at MOTOADELAIDE (Honda shop) in SA. I remember thinking THAT is compliant, they even had a German helmet look alike
So they must be available in other states
Kurri, don't bring your helmets with you as they will not have the Australian Design Rules compliance stickers and will not be legal here, buy one when you get here
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