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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 20:36:20 GMT 10
Didn,t know CCP Ashley Birt but i know his father. This young fellow had the world ahead of him and was going to be a veteran leader of men in time. Unfortunately he was shot down by a suicidal maniac and in the back as well.
So i beg the question why should those poor buggers still be over there fighting for others. I know this is their job ,deemed by our illustious government ,but now 2 god fairing people here in Gympie are without their eldest son . Would i suppose be different iff he was fighting on the front lines somewhere but on a parade ground for christ sakes.
R.I.P Ashely Birt.
Ray.
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Post by declant on Nov 2, 2011 10:16:13 GMT 10
R.I.P.
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Post by Bad Penny Customs on Nov 2, 2011 17:23:34 GMT 10
Ray it's takes a person of strong character to join the military. Especially knowing that they may one day make the ulimate sacrafice. I could talk about loyalty, duty and love of country, but in the end it comes down to doing a job that no one else wants to do. These jobs (Iraq, Afghanistan etc) are ugly, dirty and soul destroying. BUT they are a job that does need doing to protect the greater populace from people who have no real notion of concern for others. I've seen things that will haunt me for the rest of my days. I've seen places where such evil has touched this earth. People say we should negotiate with terrorists and have peaceful dialog but that will only work with those who are willing to sit down and participate in those discussions in a mature and proper manner. The people who are out killing others either won't do that or they aren't capable of it. They recruit those people who have nothing in their lives with the promises of nobility, status and riches (moral, financial etc).
in the end people make choices that are bigger than them and those that have paid the ultimate sacrifice in a country a long way from home have done it not only the name of Australia but in the name of all good people on this planet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 18:39:08 GMT 10
That is to be sure mate. Well said and i know they have strong willingness of character to do what they do ,god bless them. Just a pity what can happen. He,d only told his dad 3 days prior that it was safe where he was . But alas one can never be sure .
Cheers Ray
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Post by moe on Nov 2, 2011 21:46:12 GMT 10
Simon has said it better than I could
My son was a marine,(5yrs)My son-in-law Navy helicopters for 25 yrs,My daughter is a Major,and still serving,(23 yrs)son was in Iraq,daughter was in the assault on Basra,2 tours in Afghanistan,I did 5&4 in the RAF.I'm only saying this to let you know I can feel for your friend,as I would if his son died in a bike accident,but we don't have conscription now,and everybody who signs on is an adult who must realise the risks,servicemen dying is a fact of life,and I'll be very happy if the lass doesn't go on the next tour,due next year,cheers mate,Bill
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2011 16:52:01 GMT 10
Thanks Simon, Ive been pondering over an answer for the last day or two, but I couldn't find the right words, (if there are any).
I spent 24 years in service with RASIGs training myself and others for the day that I, and others may have been called upon to protect others and our families, not knowing how I would have reacted If I had been asked to stand up and be counted. I still strongly believe in the feelings I had within me in those 24 years and 3 years ago was asked to rejoin (res) to tour (in a training role) but my physical capabilities or lack of made me decline. I still think of that day I said no, even more so when confronted with these tragedies.
It should be remembered that our troops have two roles over there at the moment. One is to protect the population who want a peaceful life style practicing their culture and to rebuild a ravaged land and the other is to train and prepare a self defense force to allow the majority of peace loving people of Afghanistan and Iraq to live and prosper. Its unfortunate that in the training role, you as a soldier have to work with the materials and manpower you are given. If the assets you have to train have been infiltrated by the very people you are trying to protect the majority population from that is extremely sad and is a situation that needs further addressing by our commanders in the field.
It should be remembered that in both great wars there were infiltrators that did the very same thing to allied troops, this situation is not new. It is a terror Tactic aimed at demoralizing the troops.
I cannot come up with the words to help console your anger and the sadness you must feel, and I'm sorry for that.
R.I.P to our fallen Friends and comrades, may their souls find happiness in wherever they are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 20:22:33 GMT 10
Great response Simon,Moe ,Steve. I totally agree with what you all say. it, just a pity the world has to have these problems. Thanks guys.
Cheers Ray
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Post by kingy on Nov 7, 2011 7:15:14 GMT 10
R.I.P
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Post by SPINAL on Nov 9, 2011 9:32:59 GMT 10
R.I.P
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Post by chrisso on Nov 15, 2011 21:39:19 GMT 10
Ray, I agree with your first question, "why are they there?" Bin laden is gone, these people love they way they live, they have been doing it for years. No-one going to change them. I take nothing away from our soldiers, they, I believe, have done their job and done it well, unfortunatly, they are now just targets. R.I.P Ashely Birt and the many others before you and thank you. Thank-you also to those who are serving or have served, however, its time to come home.
Chris
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Post by moe on Nov 16, 2011 10:30:28 GMT 10
right on chris!
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